САЗИКОВЪ
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osamnen писал(а):давно гуляет
для тех, кто, как я не так давно вышел на прогулку, -
крайне важная информация...
osamnen писал(а):ножи не Сазиков, а ложки ширпотреб (типа общепит) Цена 4000долларов за клейма, даже настоящие, вызывает желание послать продавца к психиатру.
Мне по душе вот так прочитать сию эпитафию)))))
Ножи - не
Сазиков,
А ложки -
ширпотреб...
Цена -
Четыре тысячи доллАров -
За клейма,
даже
настоящие,
Желанье вызывает
Послать
Продавца
К психиатру....
Уважаемый osamnen,
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Коли сей наборчик долго блуждает, почему владелец не выставит предметы на обсуждение где-либо? Да хоть у нас!? Или чует, "чьё мясо съедено"? А так, за такие деньги...
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osamnen писал(а):Не Сазиков!
Вот ещё один персонаж )))) эта фигурка..
osamnen писал(а):гуляет
Как странно.. так похож он на клошара.. с парижской баррикады..
Как зла была судьба, что оказался он в яйце?
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)))
"Не ждали"....
Или нет, так:
"Не ждали?!"...
"Не ждали"....
Или нет, так:
"Не ждали?!"...
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Вернёмся к теме! Благодарная ))))
Вопрос к экспертам тот же: о подлинности клейм..
Вопрос к экспертам тот же: о подлинности клейм..
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Общепитовский ширпотреб им останется не смотря ни на какое клеймо.
after all main contributors have seen the copyrighted, complete photos of the coffee- tea and salver set in private, it could not be possible, that everybody believe this is Sazikov made! It is a real beautiful set, in my opinion made in France or England - nowhere else were hot water urnes like the shown one made (style) - and later "russificated". There exist only one photo of the marks - but there should be 6 stamps (different) if not 10 as asked by Russian law. One board member (you know who you are) visited the auction. Did you see all marks, in the lids and elswhere? On the salver? What was your impression? The firm of Sazikov could not provide orderly marks on their work? You really believe that? In ernest?
If you look at the shown marks, you can clearly see that the obligatory mark: assayer-year, silver content and townmark is not one coherently punch as normal - but 3 single puches a) hiding a mark (why?) and b) overlapping each other (why!). That is not only wrong, that is incredible! Where is the rising eyebrow of the experts? Why is everybody dazzeled by Sazikov´s name and a photo of some (poor made and struck) marks provided by an known auction house + some fine but not Russian objects? As far as I know, Sazikov was famous for his table centerpieces (with figurines - his main work) and not tea-and coffee sets as the shown. Salvers from him exist neither in the literature nor in exhibitions or catalogues. Why? Do you have explanations for that or just don´t know?
If a simple stopka would be marked like that - everybody would protest and flame the poor contributor. The cup (tscharka) Dad showed: same dull marks, bad enamel work, bad soldering of the handle- in one word a caricature of Sazikov´s work. Is this the stuff you got gold medals for? Sure - no protest from the experts. Have you seen tscharkas from Sazikov? Yes or No? In enamel of this quality? Can you distinguish between Sazikov and nonSazikov? How?
This never ending discussions about ugly fakes or ugly fake marks over pages is real anoying me! If you are the experts who claim to know every written law and nearly every existing mark - why is it so difficult to provide one authentic Sazikov mark - but please not from dubious sources or auction catalogues. I know you can´t show them - copyright! You have no Sazikov object at home? As an expert? Strange! Our Russian friends must have better material than others - no? But fakemarks from Ivanov are not good enough! I am waiting to learn and fill my gaps!
I am really fed up and consider to not participate further on this board!
End of rant!
Postnikov
after all main contributors have seen the copyrighted, complete photos of the coffee- tea and salver set in private, it could not be possible, that everybody believe this is Sazikov made! It is a real beautiful set, in my opinion made in France or England - nowhere else were hot water urnes like the shown one made (style) - and later "russificated". There exist only one photo of the marks - but there should be 6 stamps (different) if not 10 as asked by Russian law. One board member (you know who you are) visited the auction. Did you see all marks, in the lids and elswhere? On the salver? What was your impression? The firm of Sazikov could not provide orderly marks on their work? You really believe that? In ernest?
If you look at the shown marks, you can clearly see that the obligatory mark: assayer-year, silver content and townmark is not one coherently punch as normal - but 3 single puches a) hiding a mark (why?) and b) overlapping each other (why!). That is not only wrong, that is incredible! Where is the rising eyebrow of the experts? Why is everybody dazzeled by Sazikov´s name and a photo of some (poor made and struck) marks provided by an known auction house + some fine but not Russian objects? As far as I know, Sazikov was famous for his table centerpieces (with figurines - his main work) and not tea-and coffee sets as the shown. Salvers from him exist neither in the literature nor in exhibitions or catalogues. Why? Do you have explanations for that or just don´t know?
If a simple stopka would be marked like that - everybody would protest and flame the poor contributor. The cup (tscharka) Dad showed: same dull marks, bad enamel work, bad soldering of the handle- in one word a caricature of Sazikov´s work. Is this the stuff you got gold medals for? Sure - no protest from the experts. Have you seen tscharkas from Sazikov? Yes or No? In enamel of this quality? Can you distinguish between Sazikov and nonSazikov? How?
This never ending discussions about ugly fakes or ugly fake marks over pages is real anoying me! If you are the experts who claim to know every written law and nearly every existing mark - why is it so difficult to provide one authentic Sazikov mark - but please not from dubious sources or auction catalogues. I know you can´t show them - copyright! You have no Sazikov object at home? As an expert? Strange! Our Russian friends must have better material than others - no? But fakemarks from Ivanov are not good enough! I am waiting to learn and fill my gaps!
I am really fed up and consider to not participate further on this board!
End of rant!
Postnikov
Feci quod potui, faciant meliora potentes
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Разгромная атрибуция!
Европа.. позже фальсифицированные русские клейма..
Мистер Постников разносит в пух и прах качество работы, отсутствие ощущения цельности, подлинности, ненадлежащее клеймение..
Сазиковъ известен уникальными шедеврами для украшения стола и интерьера. Инсталляциями из серебра с фигурами.
Но уж никак не убогими приборами..
У наших русских друзей в России могли бы находиться объекты и пошибче?!- вопрошает эксперт не без сарказма
Одним словом, карикатура на работу Сазикова. (с)
В заключение топика мистер Постников не позабыл лягнуть господина Иванова..
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Благодарю Вас, господин Osamnen за цитату, полную страсти
А где настоящий Сазиковъ? И то правда! Это уже от меня ))))
Европа.. позже фальсифицированные русские клейма..
Мистер Постников разносит в пух и прах качество работы, отсутствие ощущения цельности, подлинности, ненадлежащее клеймение..
Сазиковъ известен уникальными шедеврами для украшения стола и интерьера. Инсталляциями из серебра с фигурами.
Но уж никак не убогими приборами..
У наших русских друзей в России могли бы находиться объекты и пошибче?!- вопрошает эксперт не без сарказма
osamnen писал(а): in one word a caricature of Sazikov´s work.
Postnikov
Одним словом, карикатура на работу Сазикова. (с)
В заключение топика мистер Постников не позабыл лягнуть господина Иванова..
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Благодарю Вас, господин Osamnen за цитату, полную страсти
А где настоящий Сазиковъ? И то правда! Это уже от меня ))))
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Aquitania Спасибо у Вас и красиво получилось и ясно что хотел довести до нас эксперт.
Я не рискнул делать перевод.
Я не рискнул делать перевод.
Feci quod potui, faciant meliora potentes
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